Have you heard of Moo Doe?

The so-called "traditional" martial art taught by Oom Yung Doe to raise money and recruit for their cult. 

Some things seem natural, like a glass of grapefruit juice would be a healthy choice for breakfast. But its important to check out the facts before you pick up a glass of pink yummy goodness. You could end up like this guy.

Information is a good thing.
Especially if you're interested in Oom Yung Doe.

Why I left, and why I'm here.

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This entry was posted on 2/5/2006 9:29 PM and is filed under Introduction.

First off, check out a recent news report from Boston.

Dahn Hak is suffering one of the side effects of running a successful cult:  People who haven't been screened and primed for membership are looking at their actions and asking questions.  John C. Kim's organization had a similar experience in Chicago in the late eighties, which led to an extensive television investigative report, a lot of negative publicity and, eventually, IRS raids and arrests in the nineties.

Nowadays, Oom Yung Doe is much smaller and appears to be struggling to keep their training centers open.  A lot of their core group fell away over the years, Kim is aging, and renewed success would bring scrutiny like the old days (worse, now that they have a criminal record), so its better to fly below radar.  They are now focusing on fast cash inflow (or I should say upflow) risking a high turnover rate.  In earlier days, members were trained and scrutinized for a long, long time before they were accepted as "clear" and "openminded" enough to be exposed to the inner workings of the cult.  On one hand, they no longer have the manpower to pull that off; on the other hand, a pyramid scheme leaves behind dupes who overpaid and have little recourse but to blame themselves for being stupid.  Both work well for Oom Yung Doe to set up small training centers to make a lot of money quickly, close their schools once they've burned out, and move on to open new schools on the shoulders of new dupes.

I was a student at Oom Yung Doe during these modern times.  My tenure there was relatively short.  It was a convenient location for a regular exercise regime, I started enjoying it, I got more and more involved over a few years.  Apparently, something about me gives people the impression that I come from big money even though I'm usually pretty broke :-) I also developed an interest in martial arts as I began to see it as more than just exercise, and soon got involved in instructor training on a relatively fast track.  More and more "weirdness" began popping up as I was more "trusted".  At first I rationalized them on a case by case basis:  Think positive, and you reap positive.  They're cutting corners right now, because the school isn't making enough money, but after they enroll enough students, they'll start maintaining the books better.  Some of the owners are making bad decisions, but on the whole, they're just trying to build up a financially secure business so that martial arts instructors can rely on it as a full time career.  Its not my life, so its not my problem.

Eventually, the more you see, the more patterns emerge.  You see an instructor disappear without saying a word to anyone ... you wonder what that was all about.  You see an errant instructor being held as a scapegoat for decisions that were made by their superiors.  You see another instructor being chastised for "revealing" things that were mere honesty.  You wonder why higher belts who seem like good, caring people repeatedly try to manipulate students.  You see questions being evaded or answered with perverse, self-serving logic.  You see double standards in how the organization views itself versus the rest of the world that refutes its pantheon.

At first, you think you can change things by upholding good standards yourself.  If its just a few bad apples who are muddying the water, that may work.  Although OYD members are mostly segregated by rank, I am a sociable person and got to know closely a few instructors who had been in OYD for 10-20 years.  Since I did not have the long term conditioning they had, and had the benefit of not having invested that much time or money into OYD, I could see how badly they had been used, for next to nothing in return.  Eventually you realize that its not just a few bad apples, its the way the system is designed.  Whatever negativity emerges is the inevitable consequence of the principles followed.  The principles that drive OYD are rooted in power, control and greed.

An oft-repeated catch phrase in OYD is "What you see is what you can achieve."  Once I saw all of this, there was nothing left to achieve.

So I left.

Most people who leave OYD go on to rebuild their lives on their own.  People learn through their own experiences, they say.  They won't understand that they're being conned until they get burned themselves.  I can see the truth in that.  Nevertheless, its a waste of human lives.  As a lover of Eastern culture and philosophies, I am offended by organizations like OYD and other cults that abuse the beauty inherent in martial arts and spirituality.  As a person, I am offended by the exploitation of naive individuals.  So, even though Oom Yung Doe is not part of my life anymore, it is still a problem.

So I write. 

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    • 2/10/2006 1:13 PM Anonymous wrote:
      Good article..I like to see the darkness exposed. This will aid
      those who are the fence.
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      1. 2/10/2006 4:15 PM Fred Burkle wrote:
        Thanks.  Please feel free to share your own experiences or thoughts in the comments sections.  If it is too long to fit in the comments area, you can email me and I'll cite you in a blog entry.
        Reply to this
    • 3/7/2007 8:55 PM WarChild wrote:
      Good Article... I was involved in this organization/cult for over 6 years back when they were Chung Moo Doe in the 90's. The schools only exist to funnel money upwards and what they teach self defense wise is definately lacking. The hard practices, high priced seminars and tests, the camaraderie all of the bowing are all part of the mind control system they have established. It's too bad that many students never will have the opportunity to learn what is really out there for Martial Arts.
      All one has to do is look at the tax scandel that occured in '96 when Kim and his minions were jailed.
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    • 6/23/2007 3:40 PM Fuzzy wrote:
      I wrote the following flyer when I left the school. As you can see I felt the same way

      Question: Didn’t you guys use to be Chung Moo Doe?
      Their answer: Yes but due to legal restraints we changed it.
      What they mean: Yes but we had a really bad name in the past for forcing money out of our students and even being classified as a cult. We also had many of our leaders go to jail for tax evasion in the 90’s. We figured a name change was in order.

      Question: What sort of rate structure do you have?
      Their answer: Well we have a simple structure that allows you to start easily and progress quickly. You will notice that while we will give out a rate structure that is not the complete structure.
      What it means: We have a vague pricing structure that we use to get people in the door and then we use peer pressure, advanced programs and special events to bilk more money out of you. (Note - always be aware if you can not get a full price structure for everything from the first day).

      Question: So if I pay more, I can be a black belt faster?
      Their answer: Yes we will give you better training and you will become a black belt faster.
      What it means: Yes if you pay us enough we will progress you quickly, rather you know your stuff or not. But if you do not upgrade to an expensive set of classes then we will ignore you in class and put pressure on you to upgrade.

      Question: What was that about the tax evasion and a Cult?
      There answer: Yes in the past (90’s) we had a couple bad schools and everyone was really sensitive about the whole Cult thing.
      What they mean: Yes our respected leader (“Iron” Kim) went to jail with other men for tax evasion. We managed to take a lot of fees in cash and not report them, also back in the old days (90’s) we forced students to live together and report on each other.
      http://www.rickross.com/reference/chung/chung2.html

      Question: Wow, and Iron Kim can swim in the air?
      Their answer: Yes, though we can’t show you because you are not trained enough, I have seen him do it.
      What it means: Yes and if you ever in California, stop by his ranch that was paid for in cash by his students to avoid taxes and he will ask you to leave as you have not gone through proper channels to see him. (Doesn’t that sound like fun?)

      Question: So money is not really an issue as this school is based on eastern premises?
      Their answer: Well in the east students showed their dedication by dedicating time. In the West we do not have that social structure and therefore we ask you to show your dedication by giving money.
      What it means: Of course we want your money.

      Question: So I should not worry about your reputation?
      Their answer: No we have changed completely.
      What it means: Yes, you have to be even more aware. We have learned from our mistakes with our management team going to jail and we are still in this for the money. We will use every pretense to pretend we are doing it for you but we are getting better at being more subtle about taking your money.
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    • 1/8/2008 8:22 PM bill wrote:
      I have been a student in OYD for 5 years in Boston area.I have seen no cult-like behavior,and no one is forced to do anything they cannot do
      or do not want to do.
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      1. 1/10/2008 8:02 PM imaluvr wrote:
        Let me ask you this...

        I know for sure you have been talked to, probably several times about new programs, and various seminars. Did you refuse to do any of them? If you did, I GUARANTEE there was either some talk about you between the "higher" belts and the "lower" instructors, as to why you refused. They probably said, "what's he putting in front of his mind and body?" Or, "he's not in the correct mindset", or they pushed you aside and ignored you during a few lessons.

        What rank are you? Position? What kinds of things do the "International Team" talk about when they come to your city?

        Honestly, you're either totally blind and deaf, or just pushing the weird stuff to the side in your mind, so you can get some "opportunity." Or, you are a present instructor or higher rank that just wanted to put something on here to make OYD look good to newbies. If you truly are blind and/or deaf, then I apologize - no offense!

        Whadja tink 'bout dat?
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